The County Board Complaints Thread

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

I'm only going on information I've heard which I stated. Which came from a friend who had a former role on the committee of their Club.

So that aside what are your thoughts so of KOD as a former GDA and current 'CEO' underspending half a million on coaching and development?
I would see a correlation between an underspend and the issues and concerns raised about development squads.
Are the development squads being run into the ground to make way for this new schools development project??
Why are/did the development squads miss out on half a million?

Friends tell me stories every day but I don't run to the internet and post them as a fact.
There is no aside, you lie to pad your argument, you're not trustworthy, why would I want to discuss anything with you on that basis? Not happening but feel free to carry on, I'm sure someone will engage with you.

 

[ThatFella]

Friends tell me stories every day but I don't run to the internet and post them as a fact.
There is no aside, you lie to pad your argument, you're not trustworthy, why would I want to discuss anything with you on that basis? Not happening but feel free to carry on, I'm sure someone will engage with you.

Cool bud, you're going back to an old argument from last week. I've no problem admitting I'm wrong if I'm proved wrong. You haven't proved me wrong that a path wasn't paved for KOD and this title of CEO stemmed from a committee he was already part of. (Only thing you proved me wrong on was yes some other counties have CEO's)


KOD has openly under spent half a million which is a fact and you won't engage with me on facts. Is it cause you'd be on record to agreeing with me and I'm right on this?
Won't be long till you disappear or are banned again cause you get personal and nasty with other posters and create scenarios to suit yourself and your own agenda.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Cool bud, you're going back to an old argument from last week.

Demonstrates character, bud, which I'm afraid I don't see much of in your case.

KOD has openly under spent half a million which is a fact and you won't engage with me on facts.

So you didn't grasp my last reply, bud?

Won't be long till you disappear or are banned again cause you get personal and nasty with other posters

Well that didn't take long. That darn mask.

and create scenarios to suit yourself and your own agenda.

 

[peopleluas]

It goes without saying that sarcastically enclosing a person's job title in quotes detracts from other points made, or questions asked, in a forum post.

I'd be interested myself in understanding more about the alleged underspend as reported in a newspaper, but I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Let's see if more information about it surfaces - if not then there's not much to go on.

To be honest, I think we're overstating the importance of development squads and even elite development in general - and by contrast understating the importance of engendering (and maintaining) intense desire amongst far more boys and young men in Cork to play GAA sports, and be good at them. Both are important of course, and one impacts the other. Desire is a far harder nut to crack in this day and age, but it should be the top priority.

 

[ThatFella]

It goes without saying that sarcastically enclosing a person's job title in quotes detracts from other points made, or questions asked, in a forum post.

I'd be interested myself in understanding more about the alleged underspend as reported in a newspaper, but I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Let's see if more information about it surfaces - if not then there's not much to go on.

To be honest, I think we're overstating the importance of development squads and even elite development in general - and by contrast understating the importance of engendering (and maintaining) intense desire amongst far more boys and young men in Cork to play GAA sports, and be good at them. Both are important of course, and one impacts the other. Desire is a far harder nut to crack in this day and age, but it should be the top priority.

Valid and that's a fair point to make. I'll be honest I was trying to rise TOT with that but he didn't budge on it.

Half a million is a lot to underspend and it came from Croke Park just happened to be Pat Spillane reporting it which tbf I would also be skeptical of what a Kerry man would say about our football etc.

I think we're overstating the importance as we have seen issues and concerns in some areas, some of the issues and concerns can stem back to funding etc yet we have half a million unspent.
Again I have been critical of KOD he's a former GDA he knows issues from his time and is now CEO which overlooks everything or else is reported back to him. He is also speaking about new development plans and restructuring etc so he's outspoken on the matter yet not spending half a million which was allocated.

 

[peopleluas]

Valid and that's a fair point to make. I'll be honest I was trying to rise TOT with that but he didn't budge on it.

Half a million is a lot to underspend and it came from Croke Park just happened to be Pat Spillane reporting it which tbf I would also be skeptical of what a Kerry man would say about our football etc.

I think we're overstating the importance as we have seen issues and concerns in some areas, some of the issues and concerns can stem back to funding etc yet we have half a million unspent.
Again I have been critical of KOD he's a former GDA he knows issues from his time and is now CEO which overlooks everything or else is reported back to him. He is also speaking about new development plans and restructuring etc so he's outspoken on the matter yet not spending half a million which was allocated.

If you look at club level and see the very large portion of clubs who didn't submit an application for the energy grant last year - which was a doddle to apply for - and is probably a similar portion of a club's revenue.

But sometimes when you hear something (like this untapped €500,000) which is hard to be believe, it's because it isn't entirely true.

Let's see if more info comes out, and we'll see if it actually happened, if it was a screw-up or if there is some reasonable explanation, or if some combination of those. Without more info, there's not much to go on, and I wouldn't let mud stick just because it is thrown - there's enough things known as facts to be discussed.

 

[Reservedcitizen]

If you look at club level and see the very large portion of clubs who didn't submit an application for the energy grant last year - which was a doddle to apply for - and is probably a similar portion of a club's revenue.

But sometimes when you hear something (like this untapped €500,000) which is hard to be believe, it's because it isn't entirely true.

Let's see if more info comes out, and we'll see if it actually happened, if it was a screw-up or if there is some reasonable explanation, or if some combination of those. Without more info, there's not much to go on, and I wouldn't let mud stick just because it is thrown - there's enough things known as facts to be discussed.

In fairness to clubs, they are run nearly exclusively by volunteers.
Comparing them to the CEO of a multi million euro organisation, with a huge pool of staff is unfair and not in any way related.

 

[Keeks]

Moving back to the Underspend.....Article here (behind a paywall)

Revealed: Dublin’s €23m bonanza – How capital still benefit most from development funding

Thirty per cent of Croke Park’s coaching and games development budget earmarked for counties has been paid to Dublin in the last 17 years.

www.independent.ie

A section of the Article below where I highlight some interest points:

Using figures from 2019 (the last season prior to the Covid pandemic which disrupted activity for two years) the GAA circulated each county with the amount they could expect to receive. Using the same figures and formula we have calculated what these sums are likely to have been.

It would have represented a huge sea change with Dublin’s allocation dropping to €847,067 whereas Cork’s would have increased to €844,067

Rolling out the new system has proved problematic. At a Central Council meeting last March delegates were told the GAA was unable to establish how many people were actually employed by the Association. This was delaying the implementation of the reformed plan

The new system is more centralised with the appointment of provincial and county Heads of Games Development. Arguably the biggest impediment to the roll out is that clubs outside Dublin cannot provide matching funds to employ a GPO. The funding has to come through their county board

However, according to the GAA’s annual report, the new four-year coaching and games funding model has now been rolled out with what were described as “initial funding distribution challenges”

The report says: “A key challenge for counties under the new scheme is that the majority share of the increased grant fund is predicated on a new minimum requirement of 35 per cent local contribution towards each approved coaching officer role

This has resulted in a year one grant underspend of €2.8m with most counties not being able to draw down their new funding allocation. CLG remains committed to investing a minimum of €12m per annum into coaching and games over a four-year period and all counties will be permitted to carry forward any unused grant funding for future use.

Cork look to be the big losers with their underspend on coaching between September 2022 and September 2023 amounting to more than €500,000 according to our calculations

Basically as I see it this is a grant system. You need to have a certain amount of funds yourself before you get the money.

2007-2023 Spending Top 2
Dublin €23,050,062
Cork €3,188,019

 

[Banofie Magpie]

Moving back to the Underspend.....Article here (behind a paywall)

Revealed: Dublin’s €23m bonanza – How capital still benefit most from development funding

Thirty per cent of Croke Park’s coaching and games development budget earmarked for counties has been paid to Dublin in the last 17 years.

www.independent.ie

A section of the Article below where I highlight some interest points:



Basically as I see it this is a grant system. You need to have a certain amount of funds yourself before you get the money.

There is a fella going round here spreading lies. Take no notice.
No way could Cork have underspent €500,000 of one years coaching budget when they received a total of just €3.1m in 17 years, an average of €182,000 per year or just €700/club

 

[Keeks]

There is a fella going round here spreading lies. Take no notice.
No way could Cork have underspent €500,000 of one years coaching budget when they received a total of just €3.1m in 17 years, an average of €182,000 per year or just €700/club

I don't think there is lies here.....the way I would read it is if Cork have spent €175k (35%) then they could have drawn got another €500k

But I think to do that you have to have a plan in place on where to spend it....can't just put it in the bank account and collect interest.

And there lies the problem.....either no money or no plan...most likely both