Murder of a GAA chairman

[SoundMan]

Well our generation are the first to be free from the shackles of IRA terrorism. That’s a good thing.

It's funny how Fianna Fáil forget that and their own part in it, isn't it?

 

[Crankycorner]

It's funny how Fianna Fáil forget that and their own part in it, isn't it?

FF fucked out members who tried to import guns in the 70s. Haughey spent 5 years in the doldrums and even when he became Taoiseach his Minister for Justice had to be approved by his opponents in the party.

FF had no connection to the Provos.

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Twas a good watch. I feel sorry for the family. British government suing the coroner, shameful.

 

[Gregory_Mike]

A little known fact. Billy Wright's brother in law is from Tipperary.

 

[SoundMan]

FF fucked out members who tried to import guns in the 70s. Haughey spent 5 years in the doldrums and even when he became Taoiseach his Minister for Justice had to be approved by his opponents in the party.

FF had no connection to the Provos.

"FF f**ked out member who tried to import guns in the 70s" but elected one of them a few years later still in the 70s to lead the party and become Taoiseach, and revoted him in a number of times.

If, as you claim, "FF had no connection to the Provos", who exactly were they importing the guns for? - the Irish Army had their own official supplies.

I'm afraid you've displayed that your grasp of 20th Century Irish political history is very limited. Your "Rampant so it was" comment about MI5 and the IRA wasn't as bad by comparison

 

[Crankycorner]

"FF f**ked out member who tried to import guns in the 70s" but elected one of them a few years later still in the 70s to lead the party and become Taoiseach, and revoted him in a number of times.

If, as you claim, "FF had no connection to the Provos", who exactly were they importing the guns for? - the Irish Army had their own official supplies.

I'm afraid you've displayed that your grasp of 20th Century Irish political history is very limited. Your "Rampant so it was" comment about MI5 and the IRA wasn't as bad by comparison

He never tried again and as I said those who opposed him had an effective veto over his Minister for Justice.

As regards 20th century Irish political history, the last 30 years have proven that the provos were indeed rife with informers.

 

[SoundMan]

He never tried again and as I said those who opposed him had an effective veto over his Minister for Justice.

As regards 20th century Irish political history, the last 30 years have proven that the provos were indeed rife with informers.

Where did you pick up this nonsense about the FF Minister for Justice? Haughey could do what (and in a lot of cases who) he liked and FF didn't say a word to him.


The last 30 years a lot of claims were made about the Provos - pretty much AFTER the event. Funny how for an organisation allegedly controlled by MI5 the brits finally came to the negotiating table.

Probably best you sit this one out Cranky

 

[Crankycorner]

Where did you pick up this nonsense about the FF Minister for Justice? Haughey could do what (and in a lot of cases who) he liked and FF didn't say a word to him.


The last 30 years a lot of claims were made about the Provos - pretty much AFTER the event. Funny how for an organisation allegedly controlled by MI5 the brits finally came to the negotiating table.

Probably best you sit this one out Cranky

Flip that a big Soundy. Funny how an organisation who vowed never to put down the gun ended up doing just that.

As regards Haughey, Colley demanded a veto on the appointment and was given it in return for him continuing to serve in government. Haughey only had full control of the party from the mid 80s.

 

[Crankycorner]

Because I’m in a good mood and to save you the embarrassment of saying it’s not true Soundy I’ve taken the liberty of including a section from a Sunday Times article written by Professor Gary Murphy back in December which alludes to this. I’ve even bolded it for you.

McEntee debate offered a test run for election clash against Sinn Fein​

Gary Murphy

Sunday December 10 2023, 12.10am GMT, The Sunday Times
Last week’s no-confidence motion in the minister for justice Helen McEntee brought to mind events of 44 years ago when, in a result that sent shockwaves across Ireland, Charles J Haughey defeated George Colley to become the fourth leader of Fianna Fail.
The Haughey–Colley leadership contest of December 7, 1979, pitted the maverick of the cabinet against the candidate of the party’s establishment. It was the quintessential contest between the outsider with no Fianna Fail bloodline and the insider whose family was steeped in the party.
At his first press conference a few hours after his victory, Haughey declared that Colley had promised him his full support and loyalty. This was not true and like many of Haughey’s lies would come back to haunt him.


Four days later, Haughey was elected taoiseach and appointed Colley as tanaiste. He felt that he had no choice but to have Colley in his cabinet. He was simply too senior in the party not to be in government.
Sacking him would have been seen by the party and the wider public as an unprecedented act of political savagery and was not politically feasible.
The trouble for Haughey was that Colley wanted the power of veto over who could be appointed to the position of minister for justice and threatened not to serve in cabinet if he were not given that veto.
In this game of high political bluff, Haughey blinked first. He could easily have refused Colley’s demand and spun a tale of a sore loser unwilling to serve in cabinet. Instead, he caved in and hamstrung his leadership from the off.
By giving Colley the power of veto, Haughey, himself a reforming minister for justice in the early 1960s, gave rise to the spectre that he was not to be trusted with the security of the state.

 

[hurley68]

This is about collusion...fu.k all to with sinn fein or fianna fail.Fu.k both of them.