Cork u20 Football 2024

[Random boi]

Yes and why not football..CBC was a rugby school now with hurling…Where is the football..Douglas Community school..a stones throw away from Douglas and Nemo..does it even have a football team?..Where is there anywhere to play or practice Gaelic football informally, spontaneous where skills might be learned..like small all weather pitches..there is no vision, no adaptation to a rising population in places like Douglas and Bishopstown…its abject failure and needs a major change in vision, strategy and tactics

In fairness there’s Rochestown and Chriost Ri in Douglas and CSN in Bishopstown playing Corn ui mhuiri. These schools are also competitive in hurling whereas a lot of the harty schools do very little for football. Do the mon/cbc/Midleton cbs/colemans play any senior football? Students from all these areas not being exposed to any football is an issue.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Yes and why not football

Because it is lagging behind hurling? Tbh, football at the moment isn't the least bit appealing as playable/watchable sport

 

[eastcorkeagle]

I'm sick to the back teeth of saying the Cork County Board never did anything to promote hurling or football in schools, players were ready made for minor from playing Corn Uí Mhuiri or Harty. It is very evident, the decline of the clergy and Cork GAA are indisputably correlated. Fellahs never went to school (apart from Colman's) to play hurling or football, they basically went to the nearest school like Midleton CBS, the Mon, CCRi and the brothers there were massively committed to either develop or get students interested and had they had a immense passion for gaelic games and athletics. Schools like CSN, PBC, Glanmire, Hammys were more diverse in their approch to sport and never achieved anywhere near the same success.

Another problem is that the Cork players are beyond soft, there is no player block laying, plastering or piking bales on any Cork team. They lack natural strength. Noel O'Leary was the last of that real naturally strong, tough work horse of a player.
Then you also have the problem with youngsters playing with Rebel Og (divisional like sides) thinking they've made it and are playing for Cork. They need to be told they are not on any Cork team, they are on a divisional side. This bullsh*t has to stop. The Cork County Board need to get into the schools are start promoting and developing the games properly.

I doubt any region in Rebel Og could produce what CCRi did in 1989

 

[West Cork Gaol]

Big problem is talented footballers picking hurling e.g brian hayes miles better footballer

Not a better footballer. He was dreadful for 20s on his final year 20s and was replaced after 40min on second last year 20s. He has no cutting, big man but a gentle giant and we all saw those traits in him last weekend playing Hurling. He is at best a average club senior football player

 

[West Cork Gaol]

Ray o mahony failed as a minor manager as did michael o brien but still get 20s gig baffling. Get in people like graham canty Nicolas murphy who know what it takes

Nick or Graham never managed a school boys team how do you think they could manage an intercounty team. They were great players but the very best of players aren't born managers/ coaches eg Larry

 

[Leftout]

1. We have no centre of excellence , Kerry do.
2. All our schools are geared to Multiple Sports disciplines, Kerry has 1.
3.We have a failed Coaching pathway with Managers out of their depth and selectors who essentially water carriers. Kerry headhunt ex All Ireland winners and people they deem best for the Job.

Totally agree highway man, especially on point 3, how did O Mahony get the U20 gig after his time with the Minors ? This pathway of lads turning up to development squads as mentors from U14 and just tagging along and then they get an opportunity to manage coach an underage county team is laughable...Has O Mahony coached any successful club team ? So many great coaches around the county, but to have any opportunity to coach manage an under age county set up you must do your time in development squads and play lip service to the establishment...
I mean JFD of Knocknagree, like him or load him....but what he has won at club level is probably unmatched in Cork, yet he is never involved in any county set up....
Cork we awful tonight, didnt seem to have a clue what they were doing and just playing off the cuff...plenty good players in that squad but are under achieving

 

[rebels96]

Totally agree highway man, especially on point 3, how did O Mahony get the U20 gig after his time with the Minors ? This pathway of lads turning up to development squads as mentors from U14 and just tagging along and then they get an opportunity to manage coach an underage county team is laughable...Has O Mahony coached any successful club team ? So many great coaches around the county, but to have any opportunity to coach manage an under age county set up you must do your time in development squads and play lip service to the establishment...
I mean JFD of Knocknagree, like him or load him....but what he has won at club level is probably unmatched in Cork, yet he is never involved in any county set up....
Cork we awful tonight, didnt seem to have a clue what they were doing and just playing off the cuff...plenty good players in that squad but are under achieving

Exactly stop giving jobs to people who were involved with rebel og all the way up. Same happens the hurling set up. get someone like JFD in who would play with no fear and wouldn't be coached within a inch of their life . Get some former players in around him to learn the ropes

 

[TonyCork80]

You are misrepresenting things to suit your own argument.. the schools model is very straight forward.. we all know the schools sure..
you’d have 3-4 football schools in the city, a few out west, a couple up north and one to the east
Hurling handy to pick the top 8-10 too..


You make no sense. When done right the St Fachtna’s Skibbereen and CCR backboned Cork footballers to 4 senior All Ireland finals in a row lad…

financially doped to an outrageous degree. Your membership Tony has helped pay for a GDA in every club in Dublin!!


Spot on

You’re talking about 40 years ago there in fairness. The Fachtna’s catchment area now is producing world class athletes in a number of sports. Also back then Rossas were closing in on an all Ireland club title, where are they now? How are we sure it was the school driving the standard and not just being the beneficiary of what was an outstanding football environment at the time.

And on the Dublin point I’ll say this much. The GAA didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to horse money into Dublin. The Dublin board for years loudly made the case that without investment the GAA would wither and die in the major population centre of the state. What did Cork do when Dublin were doing that? Fuck all. The most extraordinary episode in the entire strikes was in 2009 when Croke park offered to step in and administer the GAA in the county directly. But nobody wanted that either. What an acknowledgment though that they thought we were getting it wrong.

Lads pining for the priests and fellas laying blocks and footing turf. Ireland isn’t like that anymore. Kerry and Dublin and Derry and Mayo have no more priests than we do and their players are teachers, doctors, solicitors and bankers same as ours. This is based on a bad result last night but from 2005 to 2020 under much the same circumstances Cork were dominant over Kerry at this grade. I’m just saying there are no simple solutions here.

 

[rebel boy]

Ray o mahony failed as a minor manager as did michael o brien but still get 20s gig baffling. Get in people like graham canty Nicolas murphy who know what it takes

Pierce O Neill was with this group. John Hayes was with the mgt team prior. Colm O Neill involved at u21 level prior to that.
Whilst the idea of integrating players from 2010 winning panel is not the worst idea, have these lads cut their teeth in club management prior to gain the necessary experience should be a pre requisite.
Are we identifying the coaches at club level in Cork who have been successful, and putting them on a pathway with development squads with rebel og from 14/15 and getting them concentrating on the fundamentals of the games rather than concentrating on the S & C. The amount of workshops run by Cork concentrating on this aspect rather than fundamental coaching is startling looking at this yr alone. Our fundamentals seriously lack behind Kerry at all levels.

 

[CORK1990]

Its bad enough to lose to Kerry once in each age group...we have now lost to them 2 times at u20 this year, once at Minor and that might go to 2 as well...once at Senior and if they were to meet again you would not bet we would bt them...when is Cork football ever going to grow a pair....